England doesn’t deserve a vote on Scottish independence

Many who consider themselves ‘English nationalists’ appear to be using the prospect of a referendum on Scottish independence as a platform to argue the case for an English parliament, and are calling for English people to be given the right to decide whether the Union should continue. The idea that all citizens of the United Kingdom should vote on a major constitutional issue that affects two parts of the Union makes a degree of sense, at least to those with a Unionist mentality. However, it does raise certain practical problems; what about the north of Ireland and Wales, for instance? Should the inhabitants of the north of Ireland, which according to the UK government is as much part of the United Kingdom as England and Scotland, be given the right to decide whether Scotland remains united to England? It would be ironic if the inhabitants of the six counties were allowed to vote on Scottish independence when they have never been permitted a referendum of their own on remaining part of the UK.

This is a practical objection to England’s involvement in a referendum on Scotland’s future. In principle, however, England has no right to determine the future of Scotland. Although the Act of Union was passed by both the English and Scottish Parliaments in 1707, to claim that the Union was anything other than the annexation of Scotland by England is a distortion of history. Union with England was supported, at the time, by only a small minority – a Presbyterian governing class similar to the Protestant ascendancy in Ireland. England and Scotland did not come together by mutual consent, and they should not part by mutual consent; to give the dominant partner in an assymetrical constitutional relationship the power to block the dissolution of the union would be fatal to Scotland and England’s future relationship. I have no doubt that the majority of English voters would vote in favour of the Union, as there is a deep-seated fear among English voters and unease about what the dissolution of the Union means for their post-imperial national identity. ‘English nationalists’, albeit vocal, are decidedly in a minority.

The constitutional questions concerning the referendum bring to the fore the underlying problem in the United Kingdom – England’s assymetrical relationship with the other nations. Government rhetoric may speak of the nations as equal but they all exist in a relationship of subjection to England, where power is centralised and concentrated, and some are more subject than others. Scotland, which almost enjoys judicial independence (pace subjection to the Supreme Court) is freer than Wales or the north of Ireland, for instance. This constitutional assymetry is ignored by ‘English nationalists’ who romantically view the UK as a family of equal nations rather than as the subjection of two nations, and six counties of a third, to England.

The government’s scare-tactics in the campaign against Scottish independence have continued over the past week, with the Tories attempting each time to emphasise how different, not to say alien, an independent Scotland will be. It is important for nationalists to counter this rhetoric by highlighting the normality of independence as the natural culmination of an ongoing process of devolution and, indeed, the restoration of constitutional equilibrium to Great Britain. Of course Scotland will not leave the EU and of course Scotland will remain in a monetary union with England, at least for as long as Scotland wants. For this is ultimately what the parties in Westminster are unable to stomach – the thought that Scotland should be given equality with England and the freedom to make its own decisions.

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11 Responses to England doesn’t deserve a vote on Scottish independence

  1. “Scotland, which almost enjoys judicial independence (pace subjection to the Supreme Court)”

    Indeed. Moreover, the Supreme Court has no authority over criminal matters in Scotland (only civil matters), and it and its predecessor, the Appellate Committee of the House of Lords, have historically had a healthy degree of Scottish representation among their members.

    There is some influence from Scottish law on English law – the most famous case in English tort law, Donoghue v Stevenson, was a Scots action – although Lord Maugham famously referred to “those interesting relics of barbarism, tempered by a few importations from Rome, known to the world as Scots Law”.

  2. Daggs

    This constitutional assymetry is ignored by ‘English nationalists’ who romantically view the UK as a family of equal nations rather than as the subjection of two nations, and six counties of a third, to England..

    You’ve got to be ‘aving a laugh’ Family of equal nations indeed! It’s us the English who now have the inequality. No parliamennt, no political recognition and no democracy.
    I’m an English Nationalist and rest assured i don’t want to vote on your future. But by heavens i would like a vote on ours.

  3. Geoff, England (not Britain or 'United' KIngdom)

    As an English nationalist, I don’t consider the Divided Kingdom’s nations to be any kind of family at all. The neighbouring nations are simply England’s neighbours. Nothing more, nothing less. Having said that, some people get on better with their neighbours than they do with their family.

  4. Terry

    I’m afraid you’re confusing English nationalists with Unionists.
    English nationalists do not want the Union, to say they do is an obvious oxymoron

  5. Josie

    “to claim that the Union was anything other than the annexation of Scotland by England is a distortion of history.”

    Distortion of whose history – the real facts and figures history backed up by historical record? Or the type of history that goes with Victorian Celtic mythology, created and sustained by the works of Walter Scott and his ilk and so passionately advocated by wee little Scotlanders of the Braveheart variety?

    I am an English national ; and I, like the majority of the people in England, want you to leave and have said so in no uncertain terms- so in actual fact we have already had our say on your independence! But the overwhelming arrogance of claiming that England ‘Doesn’t deserve a vote . ‘ Doesn’t deserve? in whose opinion? Yours? and who, may I ask are you to make such statement or judgement?

    What a very self-righteous, sanctimonious twerp you are – your arrogance beggers belief – I suggest that if you really have the guts to push for independence, with the polls in Scotland showing little enthusiasm north of the border, the only chance you have of getting it is giving the English the vote …

  6. “It would be ironic if the inhabitants of the six counties were allowed to vote on Scottish independence when they have never been permitted a referendum of their own on remaining part of the UK.”

    They had one in 1973 but it was boycotted by nationalists:
    http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/politics/election/ref1973.htm

  7. Home Rule for England

    “This is a practical objection to England’s involvement in a referendum on Scotland’s future”.

    English people don’t want a referendum on Scotland’s future. That is up to the people of Scotland to decide. We English do however want a referendum on England’s future! The question put to English people would be something on the lines of ‘Should England declare independence? YES or NO.’

    If the answer is YES then England leaves the UK. Scotland Wales and N.Ireland can stay in what remains of the UK or leave it. That’s their decision.

  8. Home Rule for England

    “Of course Scotland will ……….remain in a monetary union with England, at least for as long as Scotland wants”.

    Really? What about ‘as long as England wants’? Or are you saying that an independent Scotland would have the right to determine England’s currency?

  9. Hagar

    Oh dear. I have no problem with Scotland voting on independence at the time of their choosing. However if the majority vote for devo max it is only fair that the other nations in the union have a vote as to whether this is acceptable to them. Additionally, if Scotland votes for full independence there should be a vote on whether the rump UK wishes to carry on in a union. Please don’t conflate Westminster with the English folk, most polls contradict your asseretion and show a majority of English are positive towards an independent Scotland. England can’t make its own decisions as the current shape of devolution denies us a parliament.

  10. ready4anything

    Why not just leave them to it and see what happens? I read a very interesting book recently and it showed what could happen if the Scots are denied their ‘freedom’. And oh dear, what an outcome, with some starting the Clearance fires all over again! Anyone interested should look up ‘Burn Away the Cobwebs’ by a guy called James Stewart (how Scottish is that?) I found mine on Amazon, but I’m sure there are other sources. In the meantime, perhaps someone up there should recommend it to Alex Salmond as bedtime reading.

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